Texas Hold'em and patience

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I've never played poker before, always thinking of it as gambling until I started watching Texas Holdem on TV. It became quickly obvious that the game has a range of tactical and strategic considerations like those found in sports wagering.

I immediately bought and read a few books and then signed up on a few iternet sites related to sportsbooks I trust - and quickly lost a few thousand dollars.

As I gained experience, I figured out that the problems weren't in my thinking but were in me and my approach to the game.

The books tell you only to play certain types of starting hands, but don't go into detail why this is a bad idea - and morons like me need detail. The books also don't spell out in detail why it's a bad idea to bet a lot of money on a river that has bad potential return for the wager spent. And the books don't tell you in detail a million other little points that you have to figure out.

I guess that the writers of those books know that the only way the readers will really learn is by experiencing those mistakes and understanding that you are your own worst enemy.

After I lost and learned, I went back and re-read the books - and gained a lot of insight and understanding from doing so - saying to myself time after time "so that's what the author meant". I just didn't understand before because I lacked the experience.

So, I went back to the tables armed with more knowledge and more experience - and lost again! But this time it took me a lot longer to lose - and I actually had a few winning periods.

Back to the books!

What am I doing wrong? Let's take a little time to analyze my play - because I'm usually (but not always) following the rules, and I'm usually (but not always) doing a good job of analyzing pot odds and the potential hands supported by the cards on the table - but I'm still losing!!!!

Light starts to dawn on Marblehead!

What if I follow all of the rules all of the time!
Call with only premium starting hands (depending on where the button is)
Analyze all of the possible hands after the flop, and the odds to get those hands vs the odds to get my winner.
Is the money in the pot and the pot odds worth the wager?
Fold if the odds aren't good.
- Point one - I hate to fold - so take my ego out of the equation and stick to the rules - fold when the odds don't make it look good for you to gain value from the wager.
- Point two - my attention starts to wander and my judgement suffers after about an hour and a half - so limit my playing time and take good solid 1/2 hour breaks afetr every 1.5 hours of playing time.

I went back to the tables armed with my new rules - and I won! I actually started to consistently win.

As I gain more experience, I become better at noting who to avoid and who to fleece and I win most days. I still get taken to the cleaners - but it's becoming a rare thing and only the better players can do it -

So the real trick to win at Texas Hold'em - at least for me, is patience - wait for the right hands and the best moment - and then pounce - the good players will know to avoid you and the suckers will walk right into the trap.

The one thing that I don't like about the discipline is that it takes a lot of the fun out of the game - but it sure do feel good when I win!
 

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You've posted a really good roadmap to success. Congratulations! Are you a limit holdem player?
 

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Thanks,

I play all 3 - NL, PL and limit depending on the flop %.

I play .25 - .50 and 1-2 NL;
and 1-2 or 2-4 on the PL and L.

I'm not comfortable playing the bigger games - I need more experience where I automatically know the odds and possible strategies without having to calculate them

There are a lot of loose aggressive players out there that play like macho teenagers and will call/raise at nearly any lure.
 

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bblight said:
There are a lot of loose aggressive players out there that play like macho teenagers and will call/raise at nearly any lure.

...bless their little hearts.
 

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bblight,quick

I am new at Tex h'em (since January).

I've been to Foxwoods to play 5-10 limit kill games...3 times in the last month.

4 hr session +$315
5hr session +$540
4 hr session +$140 (last nite)

The nite I won 540 I played 2 straight hrs without calling a hand and was down $215...I finally got some hands and won about 4 or 5 kill pots some over $200. to end up at +540 this all in a span of about 20 minutes.

I was talking to a dealer who says that some college kids watch on TV a guy go all in on hands of 10,2 o and pull a full house out of his ass so they all try it.
I noticed 1 thing since I've been playing... the loose players go on fantastic runs but they all give it back.If your patient you will bleed a little but your patients is rewarded at the end.
I've never been intrigued with a game such as this in all my life. I never realized how many layers of strategy is involved.

It kind of reminds me of BJ if you can play good solid basic stategy you give yourself a shot except in poker you only have to be better than half the people and play the good players at an even level,the bad players will keep you fat....and it only takes you 15 minutes to find out whos who.
 

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Patriot - bless your capitalist heathen heart!

I've been playing on line and hadn't considered Foxwoods - but now that you've mentioned it....

Maybe we'll meet there - You'll know me by my Patriot hat.
 

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bb,If you wanna hook up let me know.

I'm going down again Wed, night....and probably Mon.
I wear an Charcoal color irish tweed cap...It gives me that Sean Connery look...so they say

I take Rt 2 to i-90 through Worcester to 395 that way.

Its a lot of fun BB, way more fun than on line....I don't play much more than 4 hrs normally because I have tendacy to lose focus.
 

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Hey Pat, I've been busy at work and playing Hold'em online, and didn't have a chance to reply before now.

I usually work a 12 hour day, so I can't make it down there during the week, but I'm planning on giving it a go this Saturday or next.

Since I reguarly see idiots hittng on 17 and 18 playing BJ on a Saturday, I assume I'll find the same kind of idiot in the poker room.

I'll be wearing either my blue on tan WSEX or Maroon on tan USA baseball cap - I' look just like most of the mid-50's Boston bread English Mick Macs - a big guy going to fat with a greying mustache.

I'll keep you posted if I make a killing, or I'll be busy getting my ass chewed by my wife if I lose.

Good luck!
 

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bb, I don't go down on Saturdays because of the crowd.

I got the night off tonight and am going down. I work gravyard shift normally.I like going Sunday nights so I can keep my biological schedule on track.

I play 5-10 cash games, I am going to record 200 hrs. then move to 10-20 if my results are consistent and in the black.

Maybe somtime this summer if you can get a day off we can meet and have a sandwich and coffee at Foxwoods and swap poker war stories of the day.

I see your post on the other thread. your doing pretty darn good in tourneys.

Down to Foxwoods they have a $60 entry for some tourney everyday top 3 at yourr table move up to the next level i think there is like 3 levels and then you go into another tourney with some pretty heavy balloons.

I haven't tried that yet I am still learning limit play.
Live play is so much more fun.
Yes you get the people that split 10's at the BJ table playing poker too,and they do get lucky at your expense sometime,but strong basic play will win out most of the time.
Good luck saturday let me know how you make out.
 

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